Mage Revamp Lies. LIES.

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  • EmirEmir Member Posts: 135 ✭✭✭
    Learning that the class is still going to be passive-y has me kinda bummed. One of the more unfun things about mages is how your active offense feels like it's just playing support for your passive offense. Bit late into the rework to beg you to not do that again but I hope I'm just assuming it's worse than it what it actually is.
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  • TiurTiur Producer Member, Administrator, Immortal Posts: 401 admin
    Oh, hmm... Let me put a thing together and discuss what we're doing. We reached out to one of the original designers for a little help.

    Ascendril are fine, btw. We just don't want to do one without the other.
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  • TekiasTekias WisconsinMember Posts: 150 ✭✭✭
    Tiur said:

    Ascendril are fine, btw. We just don't want to do one without the other.

    Where's my 'booooo' reaction button? :neutral:
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  • KalakKalak Member Posts: 236 ✭✭✭
    edited April 6
    Tiur said:

    Oh, hmm... Let me put a thing together and discuss what we're doing. We reached out to one of the original designers for a little help.

    Ascendril are fine, btw. We just don't want to do one without the other.

    Is that because you wish to release both in one event, Boss?

    I mean, at this point I would be down for no event at all. And would not feel bad or jealous if @Eliadon gets his toys before me, if Ascendril is ready to lock and load.

    But I guess, the guildsmen and guildswomen would like their special event.
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  • KalakKalak Member Posts: 236 ✭✭✭
    edited April 6
    Oh for the sake of God @Tekias do you just like to read everything I write in a very negative way in your mind's eye? Which side of the above post is Abuse?

    I am saying it might be better to roll Ascendril first rather then making it wait on behalf of Sciomancer, albeit in a convoluted and joking way.

    And it is no mystery that guilds like to have their own events which will change their skills and stuff. After all they will not get new skillsets by divining on bones and weird shapes on crop fields.
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  • SatomiSatomi Member Posts: 294 ✭✭✭
    I'd rather they were released at once. I'd be mini-triggered if I had the Enchantment mercantile while also having Enchantment as a Sciomancer.

    It would only bother me a teensy bit. Teensy.

  • TiurTiur Producer Member, Administrator, Immortal Posts: 401 admin
    MOST LIKELY the order will go Sciomancers, then Ascendril. The actual mechanisms are hotly debated between short events, then new skills, or research abilities.

    Noone wants to not have skills while the rping is going on, I understand.
    Tekias
  • KalakKalak Member Posts: 236 ✭✭✭
    edited April 7
    Depends on the story you have in mind really. You could always start the event with the Ascendril and then shift attention to Sciomancers towards the end of the arc when it is complete. While it may risk dragging things out for Sciomancers, it would bring something to the table for Ascendril nonetheless.

    But it is a development choice after all, Boss. I respect that.
  • TeaniTeani Evening Sky SwedenMember Posts: 1,932 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The problem with that kind of release, when one class is not completed, and both classes are connected to similar skillset, is that there is an overlap that might cause severe imbalance. Both Ascendril and Sciomancer have Enchantments as their tertiary skillset.

    If either of the Mage guilds get their revamp without Enchantments being immediately moved to a Mercantile skill, that side of the game might lack reliable sources of enchantment refills until this is fixed. With one class not finished, there might be issues down the line that delay the next release.

    Releasing Ascendril, and making Enchantments a Mercantile skill could solve this issue. However, since the Sciomancer class is not yet finished, there is no telling how long the Sciomancers will essentially remain with one redundant skillset. I believe it is best if the Admin know the exact time line before they start this up, so that things don't become too imbalanced.



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  • KalakKalak Member Posts: 236 ✭✭✭
    Teani said:


    Releasing Ascendril, and making Enchantments a Mercantile skill could solve this issue. However, since the Sciomancer class is not yet finished, there is no telling how long the Sciomancers will essentially remain with one redundant skillset. I believe it is best if the Admin know the exact time line before they start this up, so that things don't become too imbalanced.

    Enchantments would be a Mercantile skillset for everyone. So Sciomancers would be left with 2 skillsets for awhile. That would stimulate the economy and make Enchantments a viable mercantile option considering how helpful its products are.

    The only obstacle is that if Sciomancer players will find it unfair or not. I would not mind that personally, despite I am someone who plays this class exclusively. I just have a desire to see the continuous progress on this front and sooner the mercantile things get sorted, the better.
  • SatomiSatomi Member Posts: 294 ✭✭✭
    Considering I trans'd Apothecary and Enchantments 'specifically' because the admins said that if you're trans in both, they'd consider/probably allow you to swap to Enchantment... I'd have that evil, evil redundancy to taunt me. TAUNTING ME! NOO!

    But that's just my opinion. I hate redundancy. I can't tell you how long I was in a semi-constant state of 'triggered' because Cabalist and Indo shared 2 sets of skills. Hell, I refused to pick up Praenomen specifically because Bloodborn and Praenomen had 2 of the same skills. (I actually picked up Cabbie when I heard they were getting a revamp, so it didn't bug me 'too' much.)

    But I'm just one person... who has very specific irritations. Regardless of the admin choice, I'll support it, cause Scio Revamp! Woo!

  • TeaniTeani Evening Sky SwedenMember Posts: 1,932 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Another issue with releasing the two classes at different times, without knowing the other will follow very shortly, would be the possibility of combat imbalance. Since both are being released, and Admin seems set on a specific order that works Lore-wise, I doubt they have balanced new Ascendril against current Sciomancer.

    Also, lore is quite important for the storyline of the game. It makes me happy that they are considering these things for release event rather than just tossing out new skills. 



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  • TiurTiur Producer Member, Administrator, Immortal Posts: 401 admin
    Satomi said:

    Considering I trans'd Apothecary and Enchantments 'specifically' because the admins said that if you're trans in both, they'd consider/probably allow you to swap to Enchantment... I'd have that evil, evil redundancy to taunt me. TAUNTING ME! NOO!

    But that's just my opinion. I hate redundancy. I can't tell you how long I was in a semi-constant state of 'triggered' because Cabalist and Indo shared 2 sets of skills. Hell, I refused to pick up Praenomen specifically because Bloodborn and Praenomen had 2 of the same skills. (I actually picked up Cabbie when I heard they were getting a revamp, so it didn't bug me 'too' much.)

    But I'm just one person... who has very specific irritations. Regardless of the admin choice, I'll support it, cause Scio Revamp! Woo!

    Most of the point of this is to remove shared skillsets. I hate them too. While Arcanism/Sorcery aren't the most DIFFERENT skillsets in the world, they're different enough to justify their names. Imagine, in 10 years, people won't think of Ascendril/Sciomancer as a the same class reflected across tether.
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  • ElliotElliot AustraliaMember Posts: 13 ✭✭
    Tiur said:


    Most of the point of this is to remove shared skillsets. I hate them too.

    Just a reminder of the great potential to give zealot its own skillsets


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  • VyxsisVyxsis VyxsisMember Posts: 171 ✭✭✭
    Elliot said:

    Tiur said:


    Most of the point of this is to remove shared skillsets. I hate them too.

    Just a reminder of the great potential to give zealot its own skillsets


    i'm on board

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  • TiurTiur Producer Member, Administrator, Immortal Posts: 401 admin
    And here I was just thinking fire benders.
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  • EowynEowyn SomewhereMember Posts: 71 ✭✭✭
    Tiur said:

    And here I was just thinking fire benders.

    YES PLEASE
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  • VyxsisVyxsis VyxsisMember Posts: 171 ✭✭✭
    Tiur said:

    And here I was just thinking fire benders.

    fire benders? weak

    make them Bursters and we can talk
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  • ElliotElliot AustraliaMember Posts: 13 ✭✭
    no i wanna be a fire bender can we have an agni kai skill please @Tiur
  • SatomiSatomi Member Posts: 294 ✭✭✭
    Secret Reveal: Monk gets revamp, not Zealot.

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  • VyxsisVyxsis VyxsisMember Posts: 171 ✭✭✭
    Satomi said:

    Secret Reveal: Monk gets revamp, not Zealot.

    i can hear yeras screaming
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  • TiurTiur Producer Member, Administrator, Immortal Posts: 401 admin
    Satomi said:

    Secret Reveal: Monk gets revamp, not Zealot.

    How am I supposed to be evil if everyone keeps figuring me out before I get there? :(
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  • AnteheAntehe Member, Immortal Posts: 428 Immortal

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  • TekiasTekias WisconsinMember Posts: 150 ✭✭✭
    Antehe said:


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  • SatomiSatomi Member Posts: 294 ✭✭✭
    @Tiur We're just connected by the minipets :3

  • EliadonEliadon Somewhere Over the RainbowMember Posts: 97 ✭✭✭
    Tiur said:

    Oh, hmm... Let me put a thing together and discuss what we're doing. We reached out to one of the original designers for a little help.

    Ascendril are fine, btw. We just don't want to do one without the other.

    Did anything ever come of this that you can share? D;
    Oonagh
  • TozToz Member Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭✭✭
    @Eliadon have you not seen the pve thread? Clearly the mage revamp just happened this morning...

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