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  • Snarling doesn't seem to actually hide the afflictions given with howling. Is this working as intended? The AB says: "While snarling, you will hide the effects of your howls.", but when testing people seem to still see the afflictions.
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  • If you have snarling up it will be hidden, cant remember if using echoing if thats hidden also if snarling is up and hitting people in room it's hidden
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  • ArbreArbre Arbrelina Jolie Braavos
    edited January 2014
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  • TozToz
    edited January 2014
    When you use snarling/boneshaking, it should go through deafness and give a generic line. They can still cure what you give them/see symptoms of it (anorexia from a snarled howl will still give the 'you can't eat because anorexic' line), but they CANNOT (or at least shouldn't be able to) see what you're howling with. It'd read like:

    You are jolted by the snarls of Yourmom.
    You are jolted by the snarls of Yourmom.
    You are jolted by the snarls of Yourmom.

    EDIT: Went and found the actual lines.

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  • ArbreArbre Arbrelina Jolie Braavos
    I played with both Xenia and Aliod.  Looks like Citadel could tell what howls I was using, but Aliod says he didn't see anything.
  • NalorNalor UK
    edited January 2014
    Arbre said:
    I played with both Xenia and Aliod.  Looks like Citadel could tell what howls I was using, but Aliod says he didn't see anything.
    @Arbre It doesnt it does a check of 3 hidden howls, WHATS HIDDEN :P its pretty easy to cure...

    or even just checking, concentrate, eat vial, when hidden howls hit normally catches them ..
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  • I think Citadel remembers what the last howls were, which is pretty smart since, yanno, nobody really changes howls mid-fight.

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    You're a singularity of fucking awfulness Toz
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  • Okay, it looks like it is actually working for howls, but not baying. I figured they would work the same, so I was testing with baying.
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  • DaskalosDaskalos Credit Whore Extraordinare Rolling amongst piles of credits.

    Cit does some pretty good howl detection. Haven't looked at the code overmuch to see exactly what it's doing, though.

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  • HavenHaven World Burner Flight School
    [spoiler]
    A movement-retarding vibration slows your actions.

    > - Salve status: PENDING. (Calo) - <
    Xiuhcoatl is afflicted with: shadow, blindness, 
    [4842] [3063] E102 W96 B100 S100 <<XP 74%>> [csb eb] 41:11.479 -
    A lulling musical sound fills you with sleep.
    Your insomnia seems to have gone.
    Your insomnia defence has been stripped.

    > - Salve status: PENDING. (Calo) - <
    Xiuhcoatl is afflicted with: shadow, blindness, 
    [5186] [3063] E102 W96 B100 S100 <<XP 74%>> [csb eb] 41:11.524 344 -
    A movement-retarding vibration slows your actions.

    > - Salve status: PENDING. (Calo) - <
    Xiuhcoatl is afflicted with: shadow, blindness, 
    [5186] [3063] E102 W96 B100 S100 <<XP 74%>> [csb eb] 41:11.544 -
    Xiuhcoatl mutters a harsh incantation, summons a wicked spike of stone from thin air, and flings it at your chest.
    A prickly stinging overwhelms your body, fading away into numbness.
    You are afflicted with: deafness, paralysis, dizziness, 
    A movement-retarding vibration slows your actions.

    > - Salve status: PENDING. (Calo) - <
    Xiuhcoatl is afflicted with: shadow, blindness, 
    [4856] [3063] E102 W96 B100 S100 <<XP 74%>> [cspb eb] 41:11.590 -330 -
    A movement-retarding vibration slows your actions.

    > - Salve status: PENDING. (Calo) - <
    Xiuhcoatl is afflicted with: shadow, blindness, 
    [4856] [3063] E102 W96 B100 S100 <<XP 74%>> [cspb eb] 41:11.798 -
    You are paralysed and unable to do that.

    > - Salve status: PENDING. (Calo) - <
    Xiuhcoatl is afflicted with: shadow, blindness, 
    [4856] [3063] E102 W96 B100 S100 <<XP 74%>> [cspb eb] 41:12.108 -
    You remove 1 hawthorn, bringing the total in the cache to 1923.
    You eat a hawthorn berry.
    You have gained the deafness defence.
    The world around fades to silence as you lose your hearing.
    You are afflicted with: paralysis, dizziness, 

    > - Salve status: PENDING. (Calo) - <
    Xiuhcoatl is afflicted with: shadow, blindness, 
    [4856] [3063] E102 W96 B100 S100 <<XP 74%>> [cspdb eb] 41:12.582 -
    Your wounds close up before your eyes.
    You take out a caloric salve and quickly rub it on your skin.
    You have gained the insulation defence.
    A feeling of comfortable warmth spreads over you.
    Xiuhcoatl is afflicted with: shadow, blindness, 
    [5543] [3063] E102 W96 B100 S100 <<XP 74%>> [cspdb eb] 41:12.790 687 -
    A movement-retarding vibration slows your actions.
    Xiuhcoatl is afflicted with: shadow, blindness, 
    [5543] [3063] E102 W96 B100 S100 <<XP 74%>> [cspdb eb] 41:12.852 -
    Your aura of weapons rebounding disappears.
    Your rebounding defence has been stripped.
    Your state of paralysis prevents you from doing that.
    Xiuhcoatl is afflicted with: shadow, blindness, 
    [5543] [3063] E102 W96 B100 S100 <<XP 74%>> [cspdb eb] 41:13.215 -
    You must stand up before you can do that.
    You will execute the following command when you recover equilibrium next: contemplate Xiuhcoatl
    Xiuhcoatl is afflicted with: shadow, blindness, 
    [5543] [3063] E102 W96 B100 S100 <<XP 74%>> [cspdb eb] 41:13.236 -
    > - Salve status: RECOVERED. - <
    Xiuhcoatl is afflicted with: shadow, blindness, 
    [5543] [3063] E102 W96 B100 S100 <<XP 74%>> [cspdb eb] 41:13.869 -
    Xiuhcoatl mutters a harsh incantation, summons a wicked spike of stone from thin air, and flings it at your chest.
    Your hearing is suddenly restored.
    Your deafness defence has been stripped.
    You are afflicted with: deafness, prone, paralysis, dizziness, 
    Xiuhcoatl is afflicted with: shadow, blindness, 
    [5213] [3063] E102 W96 B100 S100 <<XP 74%>> [cspb eb] 41:14.123 -330 -
    > - Herb status: RECOVERED. - <
    Xiuhcoatl is afflicted with: shadow, blindness, 
    [5213] [3063] E102 W96 B100 S100 <<XP 74%>> [cspb eb] 41:14.141 -
    You have gained the insomnia defence.
    You clench your fists, grit your teeth, and banish all possibility of sleep.
    Xiuhcoatl is afflicted with: shadow, blindness, 
    [5213] [2963] E102 W96 B100 S100 <<XP 74%>> [cspb eb] 41:14.510 -100 -
    > - Focus status: RECOVERED. - <
    outc bloodroot
    eat bloodroot
    Xiuhcoatl is afflicted with: shadow, blindness, 
    [5213] [2963] E102 W96 B100 S100 <<XP 74%>> [cspb eb] 41:15.159 -
    Xiuhcoatl takes a long drag off his pipe filled with valerian.
    Xiuhcoatl is afflicted with: shadow, blindness, 
    [5213] [2963] E102 W96 B100 S100 <<XP 74%>> [cspb eb] 41:15.248 -
    A movement-retarding vibration slows your actions.
    Xiuhcoatl is afflicted with: shadow, blindness, 
    [5213] [2963] E102 W96 B100 S100 <<XP 74%>> [cspb eb] 41:15.288 -
    A movement-retarding vibration slows your actions.
    Xiuhcoatl is afflicted with: shadow, blindness, 
    [5213] [2963] E102 W96 B100 S100 <<XP 74%>> [cspb eb] 41:15.495 -
    A movement-retarding vibration slows your actions.
    Xiuhcoatl is afflicted with: shadow, blindness, 
    [5213] [2963] E102 W96 B100 S100 <<XP 74%>> [cspb eb] 41:15.509 -
    > - Elixir status: RECOVERED. - <
    Xiuhcoatl is afflicted with: shadow, blindness, 
    [5213] [2963] E102 W96 B100 S100 <<XP 74%>> [cspb eb] 41:15.741 -
    A movement-retarding vibration slows your actions.
    Xiuhcoatl is afflicted with: shadow, blindness, 
    [5213] [2963] E102 W96 B100 S100 <<XP 74%>> [cspb eb] 41:15.799 -
    An inky shadeling reaches out with a shadowy appendage, stealing the warmth from your flesh.
    Your insulation defence has been stripped.
    Xiuhcoatl is afflicted with: shadow, blindness, 
    [5023] [2963] E102 W96 B100 S100 <<XP 74%>> [cspb eb] 41:16.207 -190 -
    Your guardian angel soothes your afflictions.
    Your muscles unlock; you are no longer paralysed.
    You are afflicted with: deafness, prone, dizziness, paralysis

    qmount #####

    > - Salve status: PENDING. (Calo) - <
    Xiuhcoatl is afflicted with: shadow, blindness, 
    [5023] [2963] E102 W96 B100 S100 <<XP 74%>> [csb eb] 41:16.245 -
    [/spoiler]

    Is that a bug somewhere? Or are illusions comboable with attacks? Or am I missing something else entirely? Cause I'm trying to make sense of this log and fix errors in my code. To clarify my confusion, something is telling me I'm prone after I'm paralysed. Yet after I cure the paralysis, the prone is gone with no indication I've done anything to change that.

    He paralyses me at 41:11.590.
    Then 1.646 seconds later the prone line appears at 41:13.236.
    And then 2.533 seconds later from the paralysis, he's attacking again at 41:14.123.
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  • MoireanMoirean Chairmander Portland
    Paralysis is a prone.
  • HavenHaven World Burner Flight School
    Moirean said:
    Paralysis is a prone.
    Yes, but, unless I'm mistaken, the message you receive for acting under paralysis is entirely different from the message you receive for acting while prone.

    "Your state of paralysis prevents you from doing that." versus "You must stand up before you can do that." Did that change since I've been gone?
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  • MoireanMoirean Chairmander Portland
    edited January 2014
    The messages vary based on what you are trying to do. You didn't include command echoes there, but just from 30 seconds of testing:


    A prickly stinging overwhelms your body, fading away into numbness.
    You are afflicted with paralysis.
    You discern that a layer of venom has rubbed off your weapon.
    Deftly twirling the weapon in your hand, you jab her with it once more.
    You gasp as you feel your fine-tuned reflexes disappear into a haze of confusion.
    You are afflicted with clumsiness.
    You discern that a layer of venom has rubbed off your weapon.
    H:7709/7709 M:5066/5066 E:99% W:100% S:100% XP:50.46% [cspdb e- lr] <<Paused>>
    You are already hypnotising someone.
    H:7709/7709 M:5066/5066 E:99% W:100% S:100% XP:50.46% [cspdb e- lr] <<Paused>>
    You may eat another plant.
    H:7709/7709 M:5066/5066 E:99% W:100% S:100% XP:50.46% [cspdb e- lr] <<Paused>>
    You have recovered balance on all limbs.
    H:7709/7709 M:5066/5066 E:100% W:100% S:100% XP:50.46% [cspdb eb lr] <<Paused>>kick moirean
    You can not kick someone while prone.
    H:7709/7709 M:5066/5066 E:100% W:100% S:100% XP:50.46% [cspdb eb lr] <<Paused>>stand
    You are paralysed and unable to do that.
    H:7709/7709 M:5066/5066 E:100% W:100% S:100% XP:50.46% [cspdb eb lr] 
    <<Paused>>dstab moirean
    Your state of paralysis prevents you from doing that.
    H:7709/7709 M:5066/5066 E:100% W:100% S:100% XP:50.46% [cspdb eb lr] <<Paused>>mount yeti
    Frustratingly, your body won't respond to your call to action.
  • HavenHaven World Burner Flight School
    Ah, okay. So I just have to be more careful with symptom messages then. Thanks!
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  • MoireanMoirean Chairmander Portland
    Nod. Not sure which cause what, but I guess you could get them via self testing.
  • HavenHaven World Burner Flight School
    Moirean said:
    Nod. Not sure which cause what, but I guess you could get them via self testing.
    Yeah, just tested the Luminaries. Seems "Perform Dazzle" and laying down rites are the culprits. Every other attack/command for the class issues the paralysis message instead of the true prone one.
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  • Depending on how your system is coded, it may not be that hard to make your curing in retardation much more efficient. To attack as quickly as possible, you need to send the command long before you regain balance, so that the command makes it through retardation as soon after you regain balance as possible.

    The same is true for curing. You have to be careful with herbs of course, because if you miscalculate and eat too early, the balance is reset. (Salves you can just spam. Woo).

    Whatever your limiter/failsafe or whatever you call it in your system is (usually something a bit higher than your latency. 0.25-0.75s is common), change it in retardation mode to be:
    herb balance + latency + a tiny bit extra to make sure you don't eat too early.

    If your balance handling is simple, then you'll send the command to cure paralysis, and ~2 seconds later send the command to eat bayberry (or whatever the affs and your cure order are).

    If you track balances with GMCP, or you have certain kinds of anti-illusion in your system, then  it can be a boatload more difficult. I've tried to coax Tripwire into believing my manual balance resets for both retardation and blackout modes, but GMCP keep overriding me.

  • AshmerAshmer Barefoot Adventurer Life

    Well, what you could do is set a timer on the config message, or create some kind of event for indicating when you lose balance/eq, and the amount of time you have until you get it back.

     

    Then, you do, as a rough example I coded while writing this post:

    local baltime = matches[2]

    retarded_baltime = tonumber(baltime - 1.3)

    system.timers.retarded_balance = tempTimer(retarded_baltime, [[system.balances.sync = true;offense()]])

    And then as an added security, on your bal or eq check in whatever script you use, you can do:

    return not
    system.balances.balance or system.timers.retarded_balance

     

    etc etc, so that it'll let you send even if you DON'T have balance, BUT system.timers.retarded_balance isn't open. This would be a lot easier nested into its own check, like, if systems.tracking.retarded then (retardation-specific check and handling).

     

    If that makes ANY sense at all.

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  • HavenHaven World Burner Flight School
    Can someone help me figure out how this is possible?
    [spoiler]
    Angel Battle impatience Ezalor
    shield strike Ezalor
    chasten Ezalor stupidity
    queue EQ contemplate Ezalor
    You eat a bloodroot leaf.
    Your muscles unlock; you are no longer paralysed.
    You are afflicted with: impatience, paralysis

    Ezalor is afflicted with: shadow, 
    [4620] [3388] E99 W99 B100 S100 Spark51 <<XP 47%>> [csdb eb] 16:34.597 -
    You ask your angel to afflict Ezalor with impatience and it glares at him, tormenting his soul.
    Ezalor is afflicted with: impatience, shadow, 
    [4620] [3288] E99 W99 B100 S100 Spark51 <<XP 47%>> [csdb eb] 16:34.625 -100 -
    Ezalor eats a liver slice.
    Ezalor is afflicted with: shadow, 
    [4620] [3288] E99 W99 B100 S100 Spark51 <<XP 47%>> [csdb eb] 16:34.667 -
    With a swift movement, you strike Ezalor with a buckler, the symbol of the Gods flaring as you attack.
    Balance Used: 2.55 seconds
    Ezalor is afflicted with: shadow, paralysis, 
    [4620] [3288] E99 W99 B100 S100 Spark51 <<XP 47%>> [csdb e-] 16:34.685 -
    You direct a dark bolt of energy through your mace towards Ezalor. The curse of stupidity is brought down onto your victim.
    Equilibrium Used: 2.75 seconds
    Ezalor is afflicted with: shadow, stupidity, paralysis, 
    [4620] [3188] E99 W99 B100 S100 Spark51 <<XP 47%>> [csdb --] 16:34.912 -100 -
    [/spoiler]

    To make it clearer, he's somehow curing in between my stacked commands. If my entire attack is sent together, how is he curing between my angel battle and shield strike?
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  • OleisOleis Producer Emeritus Administrator, Immortal
    Because the stack isn't technically sent together. It will still process on different ticks of the game, because it's sent in different networking packets. That's why we're implementing more combo attacks and a general command separator for your use in this Liaison round -- because stuff like this should matter less in combat.
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  • SetneSetne The Grand Tyrant
    Haven said:
    Can someone help me figure out how this is possible?
    [spoiler]
    Angel Battle impatience Ezalor
    shield strike Ezalor
    chasten Ezalor stupidity
    queue EQ contemplate Ezalor
    You eat a bloodroot leaf.
    Your muscles unlock; you are no longer paralysed.
    You are afflicted with: impatience, paralysis

    Ezalor is afflicted with: shadow, 
    [4620] [3388] E99 W99 B100 S100 Spark51 <<XP 47%>> [csdb eb] 16:34.597 -
    You ask your angel to afflict Ezalor with impatience and it glares at him, tormenting his soul.
    Ezalor is afflicted with: impatience, shadow, 
    [4620] [3288] E99 W99 B100 S100 Spark51 <<XP 47%>> [csdb eb] 16:34.625 -100 -
    Ezalor eats a liver slice.
    Ezalor is afflicted with: shadow, 
    [4620] [3288] E99 W99 B100 S100 Spark51 <<XP 47%>> [csdb eb] 16:34.667 -
    With a swift movement, you strike Ezalor with a buckler, the symbol of the Gods flaring as you attack.
    Balance Used: 2.55 seconds
    Ezalor is afflicted with: shadow, paralysis, 
    [4620] [3288] E99 W99 B100 S100 Spark51 <<XP 47%>> [csdb e-] 16:34.685 -
    You direct a dark bolt of energy through your mace towards Ezalor. The curse of stupidity is brought down onto your victim.
    Equilibrium Used: 2.75 seconds
    Ezalor is afflicted with: shadow, stupidity, paralysis, 
    [4620] [3188] E99 W99 B100 S100 Spark51 <<XP 47%>> [csdb --] 16:34.912 -100 -
    [/spoiler]

    To make it clearer, he's somehow curing in between my stacked commands. If my entire attack is sent together, how is he curing between my angel battle and shield strike?
    I admit I first thought you were asking about spoilers for some reason, and got confused.

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  • I remember they used to have monks send 'stand' at the start of their combo in Achaea, because of how the code handled commands - a stand followed by swk, hfp, hfp would always bundle the three attacks at the end together, so people didn't stand mid-combo. Not sure if that works here, but might be a temporary measure.

    Arbre-Today at 7:27 PM

    You're a vindictive lil unicorn
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    Lartus-Today at 7:16 PM

    oh wait, toz is famous

    Karhast-Today at 7:01 PM

    You're a singularity of fucking awfulness Toz
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    Didi's voice resonates across the land, "Yay tox."
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    Ictinus11/01/2021

    Block Toz
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    limToday at 10:38 PM


    you disgust me
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  • MoireanMoirean Chairmander Portland
    This is why I wanted sleights to be able to be used at the start of an alias, btw, since sending them at the end DOES sometimes result in people curing before your alias has finished processing (and thus no effect from something the smoke sleight). Alas.
  • I remember this issue from anti-shop-theft problems (people triggering the door opening to evade down).

    Putting a useless command at the beginning seemed to make the subsequent commands go through close to one another - i.e. the biggest gap between commands seemed to be between the first and second commands sent, or something like that anyway. It was a while ago now.


  • I was told it works in bundles of 3 after you send more than 3 commands. So like...

    [stand, , ] [swk, ucp, ucp].

    Arbre-Today at 7:27 PM

    You're a vindictive lil unicorn
    ---------------------------

    Lartus-Today at 7:16 PM

    oh wait, toz is famous

    Karhast-Today at 7:01 PM

    You're a singularity of fucking awfulness Toz
    ---------------------------
    Didi's voice resonates across the land, "Yay tox."
    ---------------------------

    Ictinus11/01/2021

    Block Toz
    ---------------------------

    limToday at 10:38 PM


    you disgust me
    ---------------------------
    (Web): Bryn says, "Toz is why we can't have nice things."

  • HavenHaven World Burner Flight School
    Heh...yeah. Just tested it. Warcrying before all my attacks fixes the issue.
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  • *flex*

    Arbre-Today at 7:27 PM

    You're a vindictive lil unicorn
    ---------------------------

    Lartus-Today at 7:16 PM

    oh wait, toz is famous

    Karhast-Today at 7:01 PM

    You're a singularity of fucking awfulness Toz
    ---------------------------
    Didi's voice resonates across the land, "Yay tox."
    ---------------------------

    Ictinus11/01/2021

    Block Toz
    ---------------------------

    limToday at 10:38 PM


    you disgust me
    ---------------------------
    (Web): Bryn says, "Toz is why we can't have nice things."

  • MoireanMoirean Chairmander Portland
    Oh god, I am going to PK you just for warcry spam now.
    Setne
  • HavenHaven World Burner Flight School
    Moirean said:
    Oh god, I am going to PK you just for warcry spam now.
    Come at me bro!
    ¤ Si vis pacem, para bellum. ¤
    Someone powerful says, "We're going to have to delete you."
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  • Does anyone remember Zbniebniz's mutter-spam from the original Achaean hypno? He muttered whole paragraphs of Achaean history, each one beginning with potential hypno trigger words, every. single. round.

    I created a mutter-decoding script just so I could go punish him for the spam, but zmud couldn't run it :(
    Daskalos
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