Welcome Midkemians: Advice, tips, and comparisons for your new life in Aetolia

RazmaelRazmael Member, Administrator, Immortal Posts: 1,064 admin
edited August 2016 in Newbies
We're sorry to see that your time in Midkemia had to come to a close. It can be a little confusing trying another Iron Realms game, but we hope you'll give Aetolia a try! Sapience is a significantly different land from Triagia, and here are a few of the most important discrepancies you'll want to be aware of.

ARTIFACTS

- Artifacts must be purchased in credits or iron coins (with few notable exceptions), and cannot be rented. Otherwise, they work similarly to how you're used to.

- Iron Coins are our equivalent of Ishapian tokens.


CITIES

Which city will become your home? Aetolia has four city-states to choose from, with many striking similarities to your old Triagian haunts.

- Bloodloch, the city of Undeath, strength, and grisly might. This city of Shadow will remind you of Sar-Sargoth, with its scheming vampiric houses, slaves to torture or drink from, and emphasis on conquest and power.

- Duiran, the untamed commune of the wild Heartwood. Fans of Elvandar might find much familiar in the Spirit-aligned Duiran, though rather than a monarchy, Duiran Council boasts a diplomatic structure similar to the rest of the cities.

- Enorian, coastal jewel of the east, foundation of the Church. Former residents of Krondor will most likely flock to this city of Spirit, though be warned - this is a city of justice and purity, and the citizens do not often suffer corruption or darkness.

- Spinesreach, the fierce Republic of the savage north. Though this city is Shadow-aligned, it does not have much of an analogue to Midkemia. Spinesreach is only loosely aligned with the nefarious aims of its fairweather ally, Bloodloch, and espouses the pursuits of research, trade, and prosperity.


RACES

- Unlike Midkemia, races in Aetolia aren't tied to a specific city, and any race can join any city.

- That said, some cities may be less welcoming of certain races. For example, a Nazetu probably won't be very welcome in Enorian.


CULTS

- There are no Cults in Aetolia - rather, we have Divine Orders (HELP ORDERS)!

- Divine Orders are formal organizations of worship managed by the Gods Themselves. Though the associated God may change, there is only ever one Order for one God.

- Each God tends to associate with a certain alignment (also called a tether), and though Their tenets can be open to interpretation, it is typically frowned on for, say, an Enorianite to worship Chakrasul (HELP GODS).

- To gain access to an Order, you must first join the God's Congregation (HELP CONGREGATION). How you advance from there is up to Them!


CURING

- Curing is much more complex in Aetolia, being focused on several different balances, such as herbs/organ slices, pipe smoking, and the application of salves. Read HELP CURING, as there's a lot to learn!

- Most notably, the element of randomness is not as present. Many afflictions are cured by a specific curative, and will cure in the exact same order each time. Your offense must be planned around this order!

- Although you are free to use your own solution, Aetolia comes with a free, built-in curing system called First Aid that is VERY powerful, and includes a lot of customization. HELP FIRSTAID will tell you everything you need to know!


ESTATES

- Referred to as houses, or sometimes castles, player houses are purchased with an initial credit investment (HELP CASTLES), then expanded with the stone commodity. Gold is used to rename/redescribe rooms of your house.

- There is no common hub to access houses from. All houses, whether inside the walls of a city, village, or out in the wilderness, are placed like any other building, so plan where you want yours accordingly!


HUNGER, THIRST, & WEARINESS

- Your character will hunger and tire, though you will find you can go for far longer periods between meals and rest.

- At level 80, your need to eat or sleep will vanish entirely, save for certain skills that inflict these conditions on you.

- Aetolians are very well hydrated and never need to drink!


MOVEMENT, NAVIGATION, & EXPLORATION

- Finding your way around a new world can be confusing! Luckily Aetolia has a landmark system (which has useful destinations such as shops) and built-in pathfinding.

- You can PATH FIND to find a route to where you want to go and then PATH GO.

- Valid destinations include a room number, landmark, area name, CITY, GUILD and more! Check HELP PATHFINDING.

- LANDMARKS will show you a list of global landmarks. If you're standing inside a city, it'll show you some city-specific landmarks as well.

- The endurance cost to move from place to place is practically negligible.

- Travel tends to be very speedy - skilled or well-equipped characters can move across entire continents in mere seconds!

- Numerous skills exist to jump between rooms instantly, such as Portals, Wormholes, and Deliverance.

- Exploration does not grant you experience in Aetolia.


PVP/PK

Aetolia's rules on PVP engagements with other players is somewhat more strict. Most notably:

- There is no "open PVP" at all times - certain conditions (ylem harvesting, Hunting Grounds, etc.) do open players up for free PK, but in general, combat is expected to be a necessary, in-character action.

- Repeatedly killing someone without good reason is frowned upon. The rule of thumb is that one death is acceptable; any more and you need another reason!

- Killing your enemy because he insulted you is good; killing him just because he's your enemy is bad.

- You should always read HELP PK and ensure that you understand it.


SPECIALIZATION

- There is no class specialization in Aetolia, although some skillsets do allow for degrees of customization, such as choosing a Mastery in Battlefury.


STATS

- Your character's stats are not as integral to the performance of your skills, though they are still important!

- More often than not, the effectiveness of your abilities is determined by the relevant skill rank (see HELP SKILLRANKS).

- Stats are independent of what race you pick, and we use a statpack system instead that determines your stats. You can pick any statpack for any race.

- Stats are changed by switching statpacks (HELP STATPACKS), reaching a given level as certain races, or gaining enhancements (HELP ENHANCEMENTS). You do not gain stats with each level.

- See HELP STATS for more information.


STEALTH & DETECTION

- Many skills and defences allow you to discern the location of other characters, such as Farsight or Scent, or the Thirdeye defence. These are commonly available, so don't be surprised that your foes can hunt you down!

- Normal stealth might be far weaker than what you are used to, and can be defeated by numerous vision-based defences (Heatsight, Lifevision, etc.).

- However, the Phasing skill, available to the Syssin class, is an extremely powerful means of hiding from other players, similar to Deepshroud.


THEFT

- Theft is very difficult to do in Aetolia, and is very uncommon. That doesn't mean you shouldn't secure your belongings!

- As with any Iron Realms MUD, leaving your goods around a house or stockroom can still be a liability, and you should always ensure you are not being followed.

- It is impossible to have your gold stolen, and is safe to leave out in your inventory.


TIME

- Aetolia uses a slower time scale, just like Midkemia, with one day being equivalent to four real life hours, and one week equaling one real life day.


TATTOOS

- Tattoos in Aetolia function almost identical to how they do in Midkemia, although with different names/functions. Here's some of the Tattoos you'll probably want on your character.

Mindseye: Allows you to see and hear while blind and deaf. Very useful!
Cloak: This tattoo prevents people from summoning you with the Brazier tattoo, and is considered a staple defence for combat.
Moss: Passively clots your bleeding damage.
Boar: Passively regenerates your health.
Shield: Will prevent most attacks against you, but can be bypassed. Drops if you move or make a hostile action.

- Most players will be able to assist you with obtaining them if you ask over your guild or city channel, but failing that you can PATH FIND TATTOOS to locate a NPC who can ink them for you - for a cost!


VAMPIRISM

- Vampirism in Aetolia is very common-place and is not at all rare like it is in Midkemia.

- Becoming a vampire tends to be a permanent choice - a cure is possible, but lengthy.

- Vampires are shadow-aligned, and are very much unwelcome in Duiran and Enorian.

- Vampires may be feared and reviled, but not everywhere! Vampires enjoy power and prestige in the city of Bloodloch, and do not hide their identities.


CRAFTING & MERCANTILE SKILLS

- There are three tiers in our crafting system, which offer opportunities for merchantry and further customizing your world and character.

Mercantile skills: There are presently four Mercantile skills. You can only have one at a time. These are Concoctions (cures for the living), Reanimation (cures for the Undead), Forging (creation and customization of armour, weapons, and shields), and Toxicology (venoms).

Tradeskills: These cost 100 credits and an additional lesson investment. These include: Tailoring, Jewelcraft, Furniture, Woodcraft, Cooking, Brewing.

Talents: These have a credit cost and no lesson investment. These include: Linguistics, Barding, Taxidermy, Pyrotechnics, Fletching, and more! (HELP TALENTS).



Remember, for any questions you might have, you can always ask on the Newbie channel, or ask here on the forums!
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  • RazmaelRazmael Member, Administrator, Immortal Posts: 1,064 admin
    Feel free to post any other tips and advice you might have here as well!
  • RolsandRolsand 12345678oMember Posts: 6
    Is there a real need of a curing system or is firstaid good enough?
  • RazmaelRazmael Member, Administrator, Immortal Posts: 1,064 admin
    Rolsand said:

    Is there a real need of a curing system or is firstaid good enough?

    For bashing and group combat, First Aid should be fine! Just make sure all the settings are where you want them as far as when to sip health, eat moss and so on.

    A lot of people use First Aid in 1v1 as well, but at higher levels it tends to be heavily tweaked as far as curing priorities go. They'll usually supplement First Aid with their own system too, in order to do things such as switch affliction priorities mid-combat as the situation arises.
    Kelliara
  • KynaKyna Victoria, AustraliaMember, Immortal Posts: 129 Immortal
    edited August 2016
    Hello!

    The in-built first aid system is what most people use these days for bashing, exploring and even PvP. 

    In regards to PvP, a lot of the top tier combatants will still run a curing system (mostly alias') that changes the priority lists you're running with first aid - depending on the encounter or class you're up against. Not many use a solo curing systems anymore due to first aid being faster (it doesn't need to run through the code of a client since it's in built) and neater!

    It's a great tool that is constantly being worked on to ensure smooth use. 

    Hope that helps!

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    And then I see @Razmael beats me to it mid-post. 

    Too quick for me. 
  • SinnsuelSinnsuel Member Posts: 2
    Forgive me if this question comes off wrong how is the player base here?
  • TeaniTeani Evening Sky SwedenMember Posts: 1,854 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sinnsuel said:

    Forgive me if this question comes off wrong how is the player base here?


    I'd say the playerbase is helpful when people ask questions, whether they are about combat, lore, RP or general mechanics.

    There's an OOC clan in the game for those who are seeking RP opportunities. If you're into RP, it might be a good idea to seek someone out for an invite to help get you started on establishing yourself. Sometimes people call out there if they're bored only to start something up. There are some groupings and cliques, but some people tend to shift between them without problems.

    We have some idlers around, but generally those people are also very helpful when they have time. If someone doesn't respond right away, it could simply be that at the moment they've gone to sleep/watch netflix/clean the house, but for the most part, people respond when they see they've been approached. And if you really want to get in touch with someone, messages work like a charm.

    The Admin is working fairly well on removing toxic environments, but as in all games, there are bound to be some discontent being muttered in the corners.

    All in all, I can honestly say I've gotten so many friends through this player base over the years I've been on Aetolia. And I keep making new ones all the time.

    Hope that helps some!



    PilarEatiel
  • SeirSeir Seein' All the Things Getting high off your emotionMember Posts: 972 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2016
    Sinnsuel said:

    Forgive me if this question comes off wrong how is the player base here?

    As someone who somewhat played MKO off and on and has some experience with playerbases across IRE, I'd say that Aetolia's playerbase is generally pretty civil and normal. There was a recent spat of drama within Duiran due to cliques and harassment. However, it seems to have abated from what I've noticed. The drama was not unlike stuff seen within Krondor or Sar-Sargoth in the past.

    The worst I can say about Aetolia's playerbase is that spirit and shadow can often be at each other's throats when it comes to the discussion of balance or anything remotely combat/conflict related and it can/has gotten to the point in the past where it can be pretty toxic in comparison to other places. HOWEVER, Aetolia's roleplay environment is top notch. If you're a roleplayer from MKO, the best place to migrate in my opinion would be Aetolia. Roleplay is active, vivid, detailed, and all around great. You're not really going to find anything on its level across IRE. At best, you'll find small pockets of roleplay in the other games. It's kind of everywhere in Aetolia.
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  • AkaryuterraAkaryuterra Member Posts: 52 ✭✭✭
    @Teani: What's the RP clan you're referring to? It might be helpful should incoming RPers be interested in jumping into the lore and cultures of Aetolia. Also, I'm not sure I've heard of said clan. >_>
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  • EmelleEmelle the Seer Seer's WoodMember Posts: 711 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • GideonGideon Member Posts: 5
    Some of the migrating players might find it useful to learn about the Sect of Blades? It's like a mix of Nighthawks and Warlords from MKO, but I don't know it well enough to draw a detailed comparison. Also, you guys have some great RP mechanics and are regarding as the IRE game for long form RP! That should have its own category.
  • ZsadistZsadist Member Posts: 815 ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2016
    The Sect of Blades is a PK group where you can challenge one another anonymously and test your mettle. It costs 50k gold to join in. It has a special currency called 'marks of triumph' that can be used to buy items from the Sect Hall. Lots of people are part of the Sect and most of us are active fighters, some are casual too.
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    (Oasis): Benedicto says, "There was like 0.5 seconds between "Oh hey, they're in area. That was quick." and "OMFG THEY'RE IN THE AREA STAHP STAHP!""


  • TenshyoTenshyo Member Posts: 376 ✭✭✭
    Zsadist said:

    The Sect of Blades is a PK group where you can challenge one another anonymously and test your mettle. It costs 50k gold to join in. It has a special currency called 'marks of triumph' that can be used to buy items from the Sect Hall. Lots of people are part of the Sect and most of us are active fighters, some are casual too.

    I believe it's only 5k to join now

    Yero
  • DrestynDrestyn BloodlochMember Posts: 118 ✭✭✭
  • SeirSeir Seein' All the Things Getting high off your emotionMember Posts: 972 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2016
    Gideon said:

    Some of the migrating players might find it useful to learn about the Sect of Blades? It's like a mix of Nighthawks and Warlords from MKO, but I don't know it well enough to draw a detailed comparison. Also, you guys have some great RP mechanics and are regarding as the IRE game for long form RP! That should have its own category.

    Bit late, but it's more like warlords than the Nighthawks. Essentially, it's a combat system that rewards individual combat between two people and is meant to ensure that 1v1 doesn't really die since that was a concern a few years back when I was more active. Unlike Warlords, Sect doesn't have nearly as many mechanical benefits save for one in the Crown of Omens. Getting basic rank in the Sect allows you to use the Sect halls and the services within, as well as talk on the Sect channel. As for the previously mentioned Crown, those high enough in Sect can claim it for themselves. Though this will make them open PK, it has the benefit of reducing damage when getting hit by more than three people (it will reduce incoming damage by 10% for every person above 3 that is hitting you) and it will increase your chances of shrugging off incoming afflictions if multiple people are hitting you with them. Basically, it acts as a deterrent for people trying to team you in group combat. However, if you're sitting in a place of safety such as a city, Nirvana, haven, etc., with it for a length of time, you'll lose it and it'll be awhile before someone else can claim it.

    As much as I wish we had something akin to the Nighthawks, we do not. For those who may not know, Nighthawks were a secret society within MKO (that required an invite by the Nighthawk GM). You'd have someone pray to the Night Mother for someone else to die (sounds familiar) and a Nighthawk would get contracted to kill that person. The Nighthawk would then assume the identity of a novice for that organization and try to find the individual. They had a number of abilities suited for assassination and could USUALLY dispatch you pretty quickly. More interestingly, Nighthawks could get contracted to kill someone in their own city and if they were killed by a Nighthawk, they wouldn't know who the Nighthawk really was. However, if it was discovered that your character WAS a Nighthawk, you'd get removed from your city pretty right quick. While the system had its own share of flaws, I found it to be really neat and way more creative than any other "assassin group" in IRE. Edit: Actually, now that I think about it, if we had something like that for the individuals that consistently run and elude responsibility for their actions (like constantly raiding but avoiding any sort of fights) as an advanced "bounty" system, it'd probably work really well.
    IshinZsadistXenia
  • GideonGideon Member Posts: 5
    @Seir totally right, my mistake. In my head I associate the 'Sect' with Achaea's two 'Marks' and they're much more like the Nighthawks.
  • XeniaXenia Member Posts: 885 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nighthawks sound awesome. Showing up as some novice, man that'd be amazing. I'm literally drooling at the thought of this existing!
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    Seir
  • LinLin SMASHER/DEVOURER MASCHINEKLASTMember Posts: 1,560 mod
    Nighthawks were one of the coolest, if not the coolest feature in MKO.
    SeirXeniaIshin
  • SeirSeir Seein' All the Things Getting high off your emotionMember Posts: 972 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2016
    Xenia said:

    Nighthawks sound awesome. Showing up as some novice, man that'd be amazing. I'm literally drooling at the thought of this existing!

    Yep. Show up as a novice, walk up to your target, proceed to murder them and then bail. Such is the Nighthawk way.

    I feel like Nighthawks had an unintended side effect in that people paid much more attention to novices when they were teaching them or hanging out near them in the event that one of them happened to be a Nighthawk.

    Edit: Worth noting that Nighthawks had a tool kit that revolved around very quickly dispatching your target. They were overpowered in that respect, but they had a very limited window to act and could ONLY use their skills on a writ target. Example: like being able to instantly kill you straight out of the gate.
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  • NiaNia TrashyMember Posts: 81 ✭✭✭
    Seir said:

    I feel like Nighthawks had an unintended side effect in that people paid much more attention to novices when they were teaching them or hanging out near them in the event that one of them happened to be a Nighthawk.

    This wasn't actually a positive thing, speaking as someone who played a nighthawk. There was a lot of metagaming involved on the part of other players, who, naturally, did not like getting killed. Any time a novice showed up who started emoting, sending tells to players or looking to get involved, anyone they'd contact would immediately go hide in their estate (castles). Many people on OOC societies (clans) would immediately try to warn one another that so-and-so novice is a possible nighthawk, place bets, etc. On one occasion we had a guide abusing their privileges to monitor novices, and then warn people that one is probably a nighthawk. On another occasion we had a genuine novice get PKed by a citymate who mistakenly thought they were a nighthawk.

    When the nighthawks were first released and no one knew what to expect, many of the nighthawks would try to RP with their victims to make assassinations cool. E.g.: we had a 'kiss of death' skill that would allow you to coat your lips with poison and afflict someone with incurable slow death if they use the kiss emote on you; we could poison food/drinks; we could make people get instantly tired and fall asleep; we could alter our blood alcohol to make ourselves look drunk (and then instantly cure it); we could lock people in a room to kill them. All of this had a lot of potential. On one occasion, I even had someone take me on as a mentor before revealing myself as a nighthawk upon having poisoned their food.

    Sadly, later on, players wised up and got more wary, which made things less fun and more predictable. Most nighthawks were so exasperated by all the metagaming that they stopped bothering trying to RP with victims and would then just walk into a room with their target, stab with an instant-kill venom and then walk out without a further word. It became an unfortunate necessity and killed the potential they had.

    tl;dr: this is why we can't have nice things.
    Ishin
  • SeirSeir Seein' All the Things Getting high off your emotionMember Posts: 972 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2016
    Nia said:

    Seir said:

    I feel like Nighthawks had an unintended side effect in that people paid much more attention to novices when they were teaching them or hanging out near them in the event that one of them happened to be a Nighthawk.

    When the nighthawks were first released and no one knew what to expect, many of the nighthawks would try to RP with their victims to make assassinations cool. E.g.: we had a 'kiss of death' skill that would allow you to coat your lips with poison and afflict someone with incurable slow death if they use the kiss emote on you; we could poison food/drinks; we could make people get instantly tired and fall asleep; we could alter our blood alcohol to make ourselves look drunk (and then instantly cure it); we could lock people in a room to kill them. All of this had a lot of potential. On one occasion, I even had someone take me on as a mentor before revealing myself as a nighthawk upon having poisoned their food.
    Good ol' Silverthorn. I played a Nighthawk a short time around when they first came out in MKO. Admittedly, didn't hang around long afterwards (mostly because of other Nighthawks) so I didn't see a lot of the metagaming that came afterwards. Kind of a shame, really. However, I can think of a few ways to do it in Aet in order to avoid metagame if we had a system like theirs.
  • DraimanDraiman Dr. Drai Member Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Imo, just sounds like moving PK even further away from RP (for the 1000th time, they're not exclusive) under the guise of..well, RPK.

    You need someone killed, but you can't do it, so you turn to the Nighthawks? And they can intsa gib them?

    The one making the contract has no reason to get better at PK now.

    The target of the contract has no reason to get better at PK either.

    I'm vehemently against any type of system like this coming to Aetolia.
    "You ever been divided by zero?" Nia asks you with a squint.



    Tenshyo
  • TrikalTrikal Member Posts: 129 ✭✭✭
    You need someone killed, but you can't do it? Go to someone who can and learn some, or even pay someone who can to help you kill the person, or whatever. Trikal always willing to fill contracts, on most anyone. He'll even bring you along if requested.
  • SeirSeir Seein' All the Things Getting high off your emotionMember Posts: 972 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Trikal said:

    You need someone killed, but you can't do it? Go to someone who can and learn some, or even pay someone who can to help you kill the person, or whatever. Trikal always willing to fill contracts, on most anyone. He'll even bring you along if requested.

    This is pretty much what the Nighthawks did, just under a guise of anonymity.

    @Draiman: Also, not everyone plays the game for PK. Not everyone wants to spend the time coding to reach the top tier either to get vengeance on someone who wronged them or killed them repeatedly. I'm completely fine with killing by proxy. PK'ers don't just magically get free reign to do as they please to non-coms with zero chance of retaliation.
    NiaPilar
  • QephahQephah SacramentoMember Posts: 13 ✭✭
    Nighthawks were one of the best features of MKO. I was damn proud when I was one, before.

    Ishin
  • NiaNia TrashyMember Posts: 81 ✭✭✭
    Did all the Nighthawks migrate here? :D

    I should expect no less, you clearly all have good taste.
  • VaskarVaskar Member Posts: 57 ✭✭✭
    Draiman said:


    The one making the contract has no reason to get better at PK now.

    The target of the contract has no reason to get better at PK either.

    Not only all of that, the Nighthawk doesn't have to get good at PK because he has an instantkill. Nobody in this situation has to have any skill whatsoever.
    Seir said:

    @Draiman: Also, not everyone plays the game for PK. Not everyone wants to spend the time coding to reach the top tier either to get vengeance on someone who wronged them or killed them repeatedly. I'm completely fine with killing by proxy. PK'ers don't just magically get free reign to do as they please to non-coms with zero chance of retaliation.

    Here's what those people do: Go talk to somebody like Trikal and tell them that you want somebody dead. Pay their price. They will go out and murder this person for you. This is killing by proxy in a way that works with the PK system instead of devaluing it.
    Fezzix
  • JulesJules Member Posts: 55 ✭✭
    edited August 2016
    Someone told me all about the Nighthawks at length a little while back, before we found out MKO was going to be gone :( My thought about them was along the lines of "This Nighthawks thing sounds like something a bright eyed young developer thinks is a good idea in like, 2002, on opening day. Because you know, 'this is going to be almost like a friendly tabletop game on a rainy afternoon guys'"!

    I cared less about the PK aspect, per se, or even the cheesy insta-kill, and was floored by the ability to assume new identities on a main char repeatedly. Think about that for a second.
  • NiaNia TrashyMember Posts: 81 ✭✭✭
    edited August 2016
    Jules said:

    Someone told me all about the Nighthawks at length a little while back, before we found out MKO was going to be gone :( My thought about them was along the lines of "This Nighthawks thing sounds like something a bright eyed young developer thinks is a good idea in like, 2002, on opening day. Because you know, 'this is going to be almost like a friendly tabletop game on a rainy afternoon guys'"!

    I cared less about the PK aspect, per se, or even the cheesy insta-kill, and was floored by the ability to assume new identities on a main char repeatedly. Think about that for a second.

    From a game design perspective, what's wrong with that? Sounds cool to me. The Nighthawks certainly faced a lot of criticism in MKO, but that's one thing that never caused any issues, to my knowledge. (I am calling you out to explain this because I am genuinely curious as to why this would worry you.)
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