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  • ObynObyn Member Posts: 351 Immortal
    @Oleis didn't say this, but I think it needs said. Let's watch our tones here, hm? Things are getting a bit heated and jabs at other situations and players are being made. Cool it down.
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  • NalorNalor UKMember Posts: 774 ✭✭✭
    Thanks @Oleis‌
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  • ZsadistZsadist Member Posts: 815 ✭✭✭✭
    Got with @Grimdale and we got a fair bit more numbers and without the use of Furor. Beware, long post.

    Strength 21
    Hammer: 189/89/132 with lvl 3 rune

    With scythe stance and protection amulet

    Cutting | 30% 0% 53% 48%
    Blunt | 30% 0% 53% 48%

    Grimdale uses Savagery Swat on you.
    Grimdale swings a large flanged greatmaul around and slams it painfully into your side. The force of
    the blow sends you cartwheeling through the air towards the west.
    Grimdale uses Deathlore Soulthirst Strike on you.
    Knifing pain rips through your being as Grimdale's weapon hungrily devours part of your soul.
    Health Lost: 1840, blunt, brute
    Grimdale stops you from moving that way.
    Grimdale uses Savagery Stalwart on you.
    With a cruel sneer, Grimdale shoves you to the ground as you try to move past him.
    Health Lost: 376, blunt, brute
    Balance Used: 0.69 seconds
    You slam painfully into the obstruction blocking the exit.
    Health Lost: 469, blunt, brute
    [5087(65%)|6520(100%)|0|100%|99%|89%|76.16%|S:98%] [HMcspdb e-] (-2685h, -2soul)

    Strength 19

    Grimdale uses Savagery Swat on you.
    Grimdale swings a large flanged greatmaul around and slams it painfully into your side. The force of
    the blow sends you cartwheeling through the air towards the west.
    You jerk your body to the side, lessening the blow.
    Grimdale uses Deathlore Soulthirst Strike on you.
    Knifing pain rips through your being as Grimdale's weapon hungrily devours part of your soul.
    Health Lost: 1196, blunt, brute
    Grimdale stops you from moving that way.
    Grimdale uses Savagery Stalwart on you.
    With a cruel sneer, Grimdale shoves you to the ground as you try to move past him.
    Health Lost: 351, blunt, brute
    Balance Used: 0.69 seconds
    You slam painfully into the obstruction blocking the exit.
    Health Lost: 436, blunt, brute
    [5789(74%)|6520(100%)|0|100%|100%|89%|76.16%|S:98%] [HMcspdb e-] (-1983h, -2soul)

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    Strength 21
    Hammer: 189/89/132 with lvl 3 rune

    Without scythe stance, but with Protection Amulet
    Cutting | 30% 0% 13% 33%
    Blunt | 30% 0% 13% 33%

    Grimdale uses Savagery Swat on you.
    Grimdale swings a large flanged greatmaul around and slams it painfully into your side. The force of
    the blow sends you cartwheeling through the air towards the west.
    Grimdale uses Deathlore Soulthirst Strike on you.
    Knifing pain rips through your being as Grimdale's weapon hungrily devours part of your soul.
    Health Lost: 2072, blunt, brute
    Grimdale stops you from moving that way.
    Grimdale uses Savagery Stalwart on you.
    With a cruel sneer, Grimdale shoves you to the ground as you try to move past him.
    Health Lost: 480, blunt, brute
    Balance Used: 0.69 seconds
    You slam painfully into the obstruction blocking the exit.
    Health Lost: 469, blunt, brute
    You use Hematurgy Bloodshield Proc on Grimdale.
    As Grimdale lashes out at you, the wisp strikes him violently.
    [4751(61%)|6520(100%)|0|100%|99%|89%|76.16%|S:98%] [HMcspdb e-] (-3021h, -2soul)

    Strength 19

    Grimdale uses Savagery Swat on you.
    Grimdale swings a large flanged greatmaul around and slams it painfully into your side. The force of
    the blow sends you cartwheeling through the air towards the west.
    Grimdale uses Deathlore Soulthirst Strike on you.
    Knifing pain rips through your being as Grimdale's weapon hungrily devours part of your soul.
    Health Lost: 1925, blunt, brute
    Grimdale stops you from moving that way.
    Grimdale uses Savagery Stalwart on you.
    With a cruel sneer, Grimdale shoves you to the ground as you try to move past him.
    Health Lost: 446, blunt, brute
    Balance Used: 0.69 seconds
    You slam painfully into the obstruction blocking the exit.
    Health Lost: 436, blunt, brute
    [4965(63%)|6520(100%)|0|100%|99%|89%|76.16%|S:98%] [HMcspdb e-] (-2807h, -15w, -2soul)

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Strength 21
    Hammer: 189/89/132 with lvl 3 rune

    No scythe stance/protection amulet
    Cutting | 30% 0% 0% 28%
    Blunt | 30% 0% 0% 28%


    Grimdale uses Savagery Swat on you.
    Grimdale swings a large flanged greatmaul around and slams it painfully into your side. The force of
    the blow sends you cartwheeling through the air towards the west.
    Grimdale uses Deathlore Soulthirst Strike on you.
    Knifing pain rips through your being as Grimdale's weapon hungrily devours part of your soul.
    Health Lost: 2148, blunt, brute
    Grimdale stops you from moving that way.
    Grimdale uses Savagery Stalwart on you.
    With a cruel sneer, Grimdale shoves you to the ground as you try to move past him.
    Health Lost: 513, blunt, brute
    Balance Used: 0.69 seconds
    You slam painfully into the obstruction blocking the exit.
    Health Lost: 469, blunt, brute
    [4642(59%)|6520(100%)|0|100%|99%|89%|76.16%|S:98%] [HMcspdb e-] (-3130h, -2soul)

    Strength 19

    Grimdale uses Savagery Swat on you.
    Grimdale swings a large flanged greatmaul around and slams it painfully into your side. The force of
    the blow sends you cartwheeling through the air towards the west.
    Grimdale uses Deathlore Soulthirst Strike on you.
    Knifing pain rips through your being as Grimdale's weapon hungrily devours part of your soul.
    Health Lost: 1996, blunt, brute
    Grimdale stops you from moving that way.
    Grimdale uses Savagery Stalwart on you.
    With a cruel sneer, Grimdale shoves you to the ground as you try to move past him.
    Health Lost: 477, blunt, brute
    Balance Used: 0.69 seconds
    You slam painfully into the obstruction blocking the exit.
    Health Lost: 436, blunt, brute
    You use Hematurgy Bloodshield Proc on Grimdale.
    As Grimdale lashes out at you, the wisp strikes him violently.
    [4863(62%)|6520(100%)|0|100%|99%|89%|76.16%|S:98%] [HMcspdb e-] (-2909h, -15w, -2soul)
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Strength 19
    Hammer: 159/71/124. No runes

    With scythe stance and protection amulet
    Cutting | 30% 0% 0% 48%
    Blunt | 30% 0% 0% 48

    Grimdale uses Savagery Swat on you.
    Grimdale swings a large flanged greatmaul around and slams it painfully into your side. The force of
    the blow sends you cartwheeling through the air towards the west.
    You jerk your body to the side, lessening the blow.
    Grimdale uses Deathlore Soulthirst Strike on you.
    Knifing pain rips through your being as Grimdale's weapon hungrily devours part of your soul.
    Health Lost: 1068, blunt, brute
    Grimdale stops you from moving that way.
    Grimdale uses Savagery Stalwart on you.
    With a cruel sneer, Grimdale shoves you to the ground as you try to move past him.
    Health Lost: 351, blunt, brute
    Balance Used: 0.69 seconds
    You slam painfully into the obstruction blocking the exit.
    Health Lost: 436, blunt, brute
    [5917(76%)|6520(100%)|0|100%|99%|89%|76.16%|S:98%] [HMcspdb e-] (-1855h, -15w, -2soul)

    Strength 21

    Grimdale uses Savagery Swat on you.
    Grimdale swings a large flanged greatmaul around and slams it painfully into your side. The force of
    the blow sends you cartwheeling through the air towards the west.
    Grimdale uses Deathlore Soulthirst Strike on you.
    Knifing pain rips through your being as Grimdale's weapon hungrily devours part of your soul.
    Health Lost: 1644, blunt, brute
    Grimdale stops you from moving that way.
    Grimdale uses Savagery Stalwart on you.
    With a cruel sneer, Grimdale shoves you to the ground as you try to move past him.
    Health Lost: 376, blunt, brute
    Balance Used: 0.69 seconds
    You slam painfully into the obstruction blocking the exit.
    Health Lost: 469, blunt, brute
    [5283(67%)|6520(100%)|0|99%|99%|89%|76.16%|S:98%] [HMcspdb e-] (-2489h, +54w, +24e, -2soul)
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Strength 19
    Hammer: 159/71/124. No runes.

    Without scythe stance, but with protection amulet
    Cutting | 30% 0% 0% 33%
    Blunt | 30% 0% 0% 33%

    Grimdale uses Savagery Swat on you.
    Grimdale swings a large flanged greatmaul around and slams it painfully into your side. The force of
    the blow sends you cartwheeling through the air towards the west.
    You jerk your body to the side, lessening the blow.
    Grimdale uses Deathlore Soulthirst Strike on you.
    Knifing pain rips through your being as Grimdale's weapon hungrily devours part of your soul.
    Health Lost: 1240, blunt, brute
    Grimdale stops you from moving that way.
    Grimdale uses Savagery Stalwart on you.
    With a cruel sneer, Grimdale shoves you to the ground as you try to move past him.
    Health Lost: 446, blunt, brute
    Balance Used: 0.69 seconds
    You slam painfully into the obstruction blocking the exit.
    Health Lost: 436, blunt, brute
    [5650(72%)|6520(100%)|0|100%|99%|89%|76.16%|S:98%] [HMcspdb e-] (-2122h, -2soul)


    Strength 21

    Grimdale uses Savagery Swat on you.
    Grimdale swings a large flanged greatmaul around and slams it painfully into your side. The force of
    the blow sends you cartwheeling through the air towards the west.
    You jerk your body to the side, lessening the blow.
    Grimdale uses Deathlore Soulthirst Strike on you.
    Knifing pain rips through your being as Grimdale's weapon hungrily devours part of your soul.
    Health Lost: 1334, blunt, brute
    Grimdale stops you from moving that way.
    Grimdale uses Savagery Stalwart on you.
    With a cruel sneer, Grimdale shoves you to the ground as you try to move past him.
    Health Lost: 480, blunt, brute
    Balance Used: 0.69 seconds
    You slam painfully into the obstruction blocking the exit.
    Health Lost: 469, blunt, brute
    [5489(70%)|6520(100%)|0|100%|99%|89%|76.16%|S:98%] [HMcspdb e-] (-2283h, -2soul)
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Strength 19
    Hammer: 159/71/124. No runes.

    No scythe stance/protection amulet
    Cutting | 30% 0% 0% 28%
    Blunt | 30% 0% 0% 28%

    Grimdale uses Savagery Swat on you.
    Grimdale swings a large flanged greatmaul around and slams it painfully into your side. The force of
    the blow sends you cartwheeling through the air towards the west.
    Grimdale uses Deathlore Soulthirst Strike on you.
    Knifing pain rips through your being as Grimdale's weapon hungrily devours part of your soul.
    Health Lost: 1852, blunt, brute
    Grimdale stops you from moving that way.
    Grimdale uses Savagery Stalwart on you.
    With a cruel sneer, Grimdale shoves you to the ground as you try to move past him.
    Health Lost: 477, blunt, brute
    Balance Used: 0.69 seconds
    You slam painfully into the obstruction blocking the exit.
    Health Lost: 436, blunt, brute
    [5007(64%)|6520(100%)|0|100%|100%|89%|76.16%|S:98%] [HMcspdb e-] (-2765h, +15w, -2soul)

    Strength 21

    Grimdale uses Savagery Swat on you.
    Grimdale swings a large flanged greatmaul around and slams it painfully into your side. The force of
    the blow sends you cartwheeling through the air towards the west.
    Grimdale uses Deathlore Soulthirst Strike on you.
    Knifing pain rips through your being as Grimdale's weapon hungrily devours part of your soul.
    Health Lost: 1993, blunt, brute
    Grimdale stops you from moving that way.
    Grimdale uses Savagery Stalwart on you.
    With a cruel sneer, Grimdale shoves you to the ground as you try to move past him.
    Health Lost: 513, blunt, brute
    Balance Used: 0.69 seconds
    You slam painfully into the obstruction blocking the exit.
    Health Lost: 469, blunt, brute
    [4797(61%)|6520(100%)|0|100%|100%|89%|76.16%|S:98%] [HMcspdb e-] (-2975h, -2soul)
    (Oasis): Benedicto says, "There was like 0.5 seconds between "Oh hey, they're in area. That was quick." and "OMFG THEY'RE IN THE AREA STAHP STAHP!""


  • GrimdaleGrimdale Member Posts: 6
    All of those were without furor, the damage to me doesn't seem too high, I can get comparable damage with other Carni skills. Just the swat into stalwart is derpy, and until today I never even thought to try it.

  • MoireanMoirean Chairmander PortlandMember, Newbie Helper, Guildmaster Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yeah what's the damage like with a more normal str (14-18) and a hammer that's more reasonable (180 is max you can forge to, 175-178 is more common for pure damage).
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  • GrimdaleGrimdale Member Posts: 6
    With 19 str and 159 damage hammer the damage was still 1200ish with divert. Balance use is 2.79 seconds. Same 159 damage hammer can do 1200 at 1.9 seconds with bash.

  • AshmerAshmer Barefoot Adventurer LifeMember Posts: 1,095 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yeah, divert is messing with some of those numbers. Could we edit the post to replace the ones with divert with samples without divert?

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  • LimLim Member Posts: 591 ✭✭✭✭
    Hahahah. Yeah, swat is a bit of a problem at present. Mainly because it can be used in conjunction with stalwart. I'm also sure @Yarel‌ is just using/enjoying it until it gets nerf'ed, so don't take the losses too personally. At present, some classes can counter it, some can't. But I'll leave you guys to figure out which and how in the meanwhile.
    Ishin
  • EzalorEzalor Emperor D'baen CanadaMember Posts: 1,307 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2015
    Swat has three big problems with it:

    1. It scales with weapon damage but NOT weapon speed. This means you can just get a big ole 200 damage bludgeon with nothing in speed to maximize DPS.

    2. Slamming into obstructions is big damage.

    3. Stalwart proccing off it.

    Personally I think fixing 1 and 3, maybe with a bit of numbers tweaking too, would be a good fix.

    As far as raw damage Monks and Templars are outputting similar amounts as this actually.
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  • XeniaXenia Member Posts: 883 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ezalor said:


    Personally I think fixing 1 and 3, maybe with a bit of numbers trewking too, would be a good fix.


    FTFY
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  • YarelYarel Member Posts: 78 ✭✭✭
    edited January 2015
    @Lim psure you are the only person I ever 1v1 killed with Swat. :wink: Maybe Rashar once, not sure about that though. And for the record, when I did, I had 21 Str and I want to say around a 180 damage on hammer. Not sure cause that hammer decayed. It had Level 3 Rune though.
  • IshinIshin Retired Lurker VirginiaMember, Guildmaster Posts: 1,748 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You guys and your runes on warhammers that aren't 180 base dmg. WHO DOES YOUR FORGING?! THEY SHOULD BE ASHAMED!!!

    But on a real note, when @Tenshyo combos me, he ends up doing something like, 40-60% of my HP in one go round. Can't remember if that was a head/torso combo, but it's kind've irrelevant. I think he said he has no arties? Soooo..
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  • AishiaAishia Queen Bee Member Posts: 1,820 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Idk why this is such a huge discussion it's clearly a problem and it's going to be dealt with.




  • YarelYarel Member Posts: 78 ✭✭✭
    edited January 2015
    And I can guarantee it won't take nearly as long to fix as Retrilol did... So just chill folks. :wink:
    @Ishin I pmuch only use Carni for bashing. So I try to balance speed and damage. That's why I'm using hammers that don't have 180 dmg.
    Ishin
  • TenshyoTenshyo Member Posts: 376 ✭✭✭
    edited January 2015
    Ishin said:

    You guys and your runes on warhammers that aren't 180 base dmg. WHO DOES YOUR FORGING?! THEY SHOULD BE ASHAMED!!!

    But on a real note, when @Tenshyo combos me, he ends up doing something like, 40-60% of my HP in one go round. Can't remember if that was a head/torso combo, but it's kind've irrelevant. I think he said he has no arties? Soooo..

    Correct sir, I have no arties. Using the usual SDK UCPx2 combo usually.

  • AshmerAshmer Barefoot Adventurer LifeMember Posts: 1,095 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2015
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    the way she tells me I'm hers and she is mine

    open hand or closed fist would be fine

    blood as rare and sweet as cherry wine

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  • GrimdaleGrimdale Member Posts: 6
    Ishin said:
    You guys and your runes on warhammers that aren't 180 base dmg. WHO DOES YOUR FORGING?! THEY SHOULD BE ASHAMED!!! But on a real note, when @Tenshyo combos me, he ends up doing something like, 40-60% of my HP in one go round. Can't remember if that was a head/torso combo, but it's kind've irrelevant. I think he said he has no arties? Soooo..
    I dropped some damage on the hammer for crush speed. Once you add a rune 189 or 198 damage does close to the same, but you add 20 speed or so.

    Ishin
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