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Edit: plus if he had a buddy they could just chuck mono's in the direction you're going.
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You use Wield.
You start to wield a monolith sigil in your left hand.
Balance Used: 0.46 seconds
You hurl a monolith sigil down.
Balance Used: 1.86 seconds
For the record, Lust eq should probably be around two seconds too.
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I could be wrong though.
I think those hitting that 'disagree' button should take (or try) a step back and look through the issue with unbiased eyes. (Remember, you already won, that's not being disputed or refuted.)
The main issue I saw with the CTF, especially early on where we successfully defended moderately well, was actually capturing a flag. I know whenever I picked up an Enorian flag, a Bloodloch flag, or a Spirean flag, I was immediately targeted and the lust cards were being thrown with a fury. At first I was caught off guard, yes, that was my fault. I assumed since the closest lifer-equivalent skills were not viable, neither would lust be. I attempted to start working around that. I carry at minimum thirty monoliths around with me at all times, but in that kind of stress/high-paced environment (Especially near the end where everyone just wanted to farm us!) it was near impossible to try and organize a well-rounded defense for this tactic. THAT SAID, you still won, and congratulations. Numbers were mightily in your favor.
I have absolutely no desire to reiterate the numerously posted math. I think... yes, it was Radakail mentioned that having a monolith stalker with you would only add AT LEAST two seconds to each room, but did you join that CTF? It is easy to forum-speculate and dream up this epic plan in your mind, another to be in the thick of it trying to work it. Two seconds is a long time, especially when you realize that the same tactic does not apply to the Shadow Tether sort (Unless fighting each other, and lets be honest, that did not happen much).
Thoughts from those obviously disagree with the logic that has been posted?
Please, legitimate responses only please. If someone replies with a furiously indignant post about the topic I will lol @ u. Hard.
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Spinesreach did coordinate and plan a lot and no, the other cities didn't do it to the level that we did. I gave out credits to those who joined. Ishin coordinated a web discussion the day beforehand to create tactics. We got Bloodloch to agree to team up with us (something they agreed to partially because of the rampant teaming in the FFA and Bloodbath earlier). Faerah posted to get her entire guild pumped up and active in it. Our high numbers were not just luck. I even went in and tested things and wrote a CHELP for Spines and CLHELP for BL with tactics.
It feels like people are citing lust as the reason Spinesreach won, and that's not fair to my city - we put in effort beforehand and had a stellar turnout. No flag EVER made it out of our base. That wasn't lust's fault. That was our base defence - a group of newbs and non-comms - being really stellar. I am really proud of Spinesreach - they were given specific tasks and they performed really, really well.
Lifers displayed some fundamental flaws in their coordination. At one point, Stridor and I went in to the Enorian base and tanked like 6 people while Xenia picked them off with radiance and Teani ninjad 2 flag caps in a row. Two caps, and they never switched target off of me. That wasn't lust's fault. The Spirean base wasn't targetted for flag caps - capping a flag deducts a point from a city, so capping our flag 2-3 times could have completely changed the outcome, but instead Duiran and Enorian tried to cap from each other.
I also did not die the entire time. I rarely had defenders on me. If a luster is a problem, it stands to reason that taking them out is a good step - one that wasn't ever taken.
Yes, lust maybe was problematic, but right now the discussion seems to be conflating that with our other work and efforts. Perhaps I'm being defensive, but Aetolia has a history of inaccurate and exaggerated forum outcry effecting changes, and I think a broader analysis is important here. Lust is not the demon it's being made out to be. There were a LOT of other factors.
Having spines and loch teamed compounded the issue, leaving either of the other two teams with too few defenders if they tried a large offensive. I was sort of stunned that eno and duiran didn't team up immediately when they saw we were working together. Game mechanics, RP, and human nature all lend a predilection to teaming in these sorts of events.
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No one has said Spines/BL alliance won exclusively because of lust. I'm not sure where you are pulling this from. You had good coordination and did a fine job. That, combined with the fact that you were teaming together with BL and had bigger numbers, while Eno / Dui worked as individual cities, would probably have ensured the win even without lust. This discussion wasn't some kind of personal attack aimed at you or Spines. It was about the skill. Which is a problem for future CTF if left as is.
But I've said my points, some of them more than a few times. There's no need for me to belabor this discussion, so bowing out at this point. If people still decide to believe lust/empress spam on the flagbearer is a fair mechanic in CTF, that's entirely their right. I just disagree.
I think it's fair that people have tried to offer ideas of how it could try to be countered, as that discussion is pretty necessary in determining if something is actually OP or not.
It begs the question about other forced movement abilities. Obviously brazier can be countered, but what about serenading, beckoning, wrench, neckdragging, etc.
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Next: Everyone gets 3 liaison reports when liaisons come due. If you feel like lust is such an issue, spend one of your reports explaining why it's such an issue and propose viable solutions.
Next: Two of the people doing the most arguing and fighting over lust are liaisons, who get what, twice as many reports as the rest of us? lol.
Lastly: YET AGAIN ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF PEOPLE TRYING TO GET COMBAT STUFF CHANGED BY CRYING ON FORUMS.
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I shouldn't have to repeat myself again.
(I saw my first starfall last night, so excite.)
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I remember, involve me and I
learn.
-Benjamin Franklin
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