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Class dispensing again
Auresae
Minneapolis
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Your comment was off topic and, most likely, intentionally misleading. Not only was I fully prepared to, I -did- accept consequences, via rp and pk, for that 'skill theft'. I suspect those aren't finished, and I'm completely fine with that as well. So, no. False.
The comments you referred to in the 'love' thread were made in reference to being enemied to Spinesreach. And really, it goes deeper than that, because that bothers me about as much as getting up for work and finding out road construction is blocking access to my favorite place to grab coffee on the way. Sure, it's irritating, but ultimately I'm just going to stop at another gas station.
The problem I do have is a person whose attitude is 'lol text game so funny haha' getting a little bit of authority, or at least the ability to actually affect someone else's game, and deciding to pull shit from nowhere. Rashar has an established history of visiting Spines, doesn't cause problems there, and is most certainly not a threat. The issue had been discussed on several occasions with real leaders.
You log on and randomly enemy me, citing 'policy' (and again, making your Syssin skills comment even more absurd). After months of being me being a Herald. After weeks, if not months by now, of me having the skills.. No worries. I can see it for what it is, which is you childishly lashing out, and I get it fixed within a day when a CL with some sense comes around.
Except now, the Syssin throw a fit and I get re-enemied with the ultimatum of 'clear things up with the Syssin first'. Which, frankly, is a bullshit and half-OOC route to take on their part. Half the mud has the class, for one, and they're not all enemied. And not all enemies to the guild are enemies to the city, so who the hell makes that dice roll? Is it a dart board with a bunch of names on it? Way to pull that out IC -years- later. Just, dust it off and throw it out there. Riight.
And of course, Moirean doesn't want to deal with the drama that would be involved in doing the right thing. I don't blame her at all. I certainly wouldn't want to deal with you either. I was told to pay a fine and give the name of the person who gave me the skills. I spend three days attempting just to find out how much the fine -is-, while being ignored and dismissed ( no big deal, RP is RP, it's cool ) and we all know for a fact that as soon as I throw a name out there they're going to deny it, the leadership is going to disregard it, and nothing is going to change. Good job. Great arpees all around. High fives, etc. Meanwhile, this is the RP I get from you:
16) Ingram: "Hey Rashar, I noticed you're still enemied to Spinesreach."
17) Ingram: "Nah, but right now, the one with the widest shit-eating grin you've ever seen."
18) Ingram: "Anyways, have a good month."
19) Ingram: "Happy happy happy, happy as can beeee."
20) Ingram: "Haaaaaaaappy haaaaaaappy haaaaaappy."
Class. It -is- just a game, and like I said earlier. It is really easy to laugh everything off when there are no consequences you have to acknowledge. You're not going to RP it, and PKing you would accomplish nothing. Probably less than nothing, because then we'd have to listen to you shout for fifteen minutes.
So to conclude, no. I don't think you're a worthless person, really. That was the irritation speaking, and for that I apologize. What you are is a player that isn't worth a single ounce of respect, in my opinion. There's nothing wrong with treating the game like a big joke, and there's nothing wrong with being the mud's jester. There -is- something wrong with being an ass with game changing privileges, though.
Besides, I've been an enemy of the Syssin for quite a while now. Excellent timing, there.
There is still the larger issue of being an enemy to a city that you're not actually an -enemy- of, because of the one guild in the game that insists on being ridiculous about their skills. I was told what to do to get that status removed, and when I displayed a willingness to comply everyone I spoke with basically said, "Not my problem," "I'll deal with it when I want to," or else completely ignored it. Which might be well within your prerogative, as a guild or as characters, but now you're eliminating entire avenues of RP for multiple people because you're basically exercising your right to be, quite frankly, asses.
Before this hubbub, I didn't have an OOC problem with you. My opinion wavered between neutral and "Rashar's fine." You're speaking off an opinion built on limited perspective. Chill out. What Ingram did was because he's an obnoxious ass who doesn't like Rashar since he always acted arrogant and snide when he saw him in Spines. As to just being a general troll with my RP equating to those tells Ingram sent you, I'd refer you to my self-aff. The rest is baseless or biased to the point I'm not going to write a small point-by-point essay response.
I'm not sure why this is wrong of us. I'm sure it frustrates you, but from us, it's quite legit RP and a legit stance. We're working on our timetable here. Not yours.
Honestly, you and I tend to get along pretty good man, but one point that you keep bringing up is that we ignore your RP, which seems to have something to do with you having Syssin class. Which is fine, I honestly don't have a fucking clue what your RP is for having Syssin class. ...nor, at this point, do I really care.
Why don't you care, Ishin? Why it's quite simple, me. Because your RP is trying to trod on the RP of an -entire organization-. So, honestly... fuck your RP man. We have a whole guild to whom this RP stance is central, and has been central to, for a long-ass time now. Since before I quit playing the first time. And yes, while it is true that some people -do- give class away for whatever they're paid in, fuck them to, because they're doing the exact same thing that you're trying to convince us is okay for you to do.
Crap on our RP.
Fuck that.
I remember, involve me and I
learn.
-Benjamin Franklin
Message #17059 Sent By: Oleis Received On: 1/03/2014/17:24
"If it makes you feel better, just checking your artifact list threatens to crash my mudlet."
Message #17059 Sent By: Oleis Received On: 1/03/2014/17:24
"If it makes you feel better, just checking your artifact list threatens to crash my mudlet."
I've never taken on any other class. Never plan to. And in point of fact, everything that I did or that happened between Rashar and I couldn't have been less motivated by things with the Sentaari. Nor was I instructed to do anything I did by "certain Syssin". Don't make this something it's not.
As for your second post, the failed atrocity that was the Syndicate, which turned the guild into a disaster, got abolished. That's why we're called the Syssin again. They strayed into some mercantile thing and it went awful, we went back to the roots. Policy reverted. It's not trollish, it's RP.
This is what frustrates me so much. Everyone just tosses out opinions and accusations about OOC motivation, withholding class because we're dicks or trying to grab at something.
IT IS ROLEPLAY! God, sorry you're all boo-hooing because we're not handing out class, but it's actually not a sleight against you all personally! It's not born of a vindictive streak. It's because this is the Syssin's roleplay. Crazy, I know.
Message #17059 Sent By: Oleis Received On: 1/03/2014/17:24
"If it makes you feel better, just checking your artifact list threatens to crash my mudlet."
Fairly certain Rashar didn't bribe anybody for the class.
Fairly certain I mentioned in the very comment you quoted from, @ishin, and the one before it that there wasn't anything inherently wrong with that stance, from an IC perspective. I'm also fairly certain I told you in the conversation we had yesterday, in person, that I respected your stance and the way you RP'd it, because you did RP it. The problem is that stance is having a widespread effect on someone else's RP in an area that it really shouldn't, in my opinion. Your guild RP is your guild RP. If the Luminaries decide tomorrow that they were going to enemy everyone who had ever been Undead, it would be completely unreasonable to expect -Enorian- to also enemy those people for it.
Fairly certain @daskalos is right, and if the roles were reversed you could and -would- be bitching, calling names, and generally raging a lot harder than I am. (Which is not hard at all, to be honest.)
And more importantly:
I'm fairly certain my original post was about being enemied to Spinesreach. Stop making this about your guild, or the justification or lack thereof that you guys have in defending it, your actions, and your stance on giving out class. That is not what this is about.
Saying that I'm mad about it and trying to stir the pot is just fucking stupid, really, and it's you trying to denigrate my character. I'm an asshole, man. I know it. Everyone else knows it. I don't need scrub POGs like you trying to make me look like a bitch and talking about stuff you don't know anything about. 'kay? 'kay.
I remember, involve me and I
learn.
-Benjamin Franklin
Anyways, didn't hear or see a notice about Rashar being special in that regard or having spoke to Moirean. The rest happened beyond me, but I agree fully with Faerah on the point that if we ARE enemying Eno leadership, and Rashar is a special case, it should be nullified since he's enemied a city guild anyways. If he wasn't Eno leadership, then no, I wouldn't keep him enemied.
They just sold it. Wasn't bribing, it was sales. From what I know of it.
Message #17059 Sent By: Oleis Received On: 1/03/2014/17:24
"If it makes you feel better, just checking your artifact list threatens to crash my mudlet."
That being said, I think their jealous and overprotective stance on class is absurd and needs to go. They won't let darkies get the class. They won't even let Spireans in good standing have class. I am the Chairwoman of Spinesreach and the only way I was able to get apprenticed to the class, after being turned down for months, was because they were freaking out about someone ELSE having stolen the class and I capitalized on the drama. This constant theme of having to protect the class has been something the Syssin have dealt with for a long time and I think it forces a paranoid outlook onto them and it's not THEIR fault, in the end. The neutral class thing needs to be redesigned. Let the Syssin focus on themselves, instead of guarding their class (an exercise in futility and one that only makes everyone upset) and let people actually get these classes we supposedly have access to without having to throw out hundreds of credits and earn endless enemy statuses.
@Mephistoles
I don't believe we did that.
And really, tell me that's not at least partially OOC, or at least sometimes used as a way to fuck with someone you don't like? Why aren't the 24908524524 other people with the class actively pursued or enemied or hunted? And I'm not saying they should be, and I'm not saying I don't -want- to be myself, because I -like- that RP and interaction. I'm just saying, you can't pretend to be all up in arms about it and then really just not be.
Basically, this is a game. It is legitimately not fun when you aren't able to engage in the sort of gameplay you desire when a group of people are basically saying 'our enjoyment is more important than your experience'. Yes, I get that not everyone can have their way. But classes aren't really intended to be commodities that are as hard to get as it sounds this is being made.
City-wise, I'm trying to remember everyone I've enemied. It's like.. Rashar, Haven for attacking me in the city, someone with a 'K' name who killed me in the city, and I've threatened a few people in an abuse-of-power way for Syssiny stuff, but that was RP'd out and never actually came to enemying.
If we 'hoarde' class at all, it would be from people who 'just want the class'. We've given it out to a couple of people who have asked for it. People who have RP'd, and who like...aren't just like 'hey bro gimmie class pls'. That stance is disrespectful to us, and we are, from what I understand, under NO obligation to give class to people outside of the guild.
I remember, involve me and I
learn.
-Benjamin Franklin
Edit: Again, I'm not trying to say what you are doing is right or wrong. Just don't get yourselves in trouble. The last thing I want to see is mobs who act as class dispensaries, and that idea has been tossed around several times in the past over situations where classes are being held tightly.
It's all a good ol' boys club, and we know it. There are a few, I'm sure, who stick to their guns and don't. But I bet if the logs were pulled and everyone who ever gave the class out was called out, there'd be a lot of radicals with their fucking feet in their mouth.
Ishin addressed that with the second paragraph. That's most the people who ask. Syssin class is roleplayed as intimate methods and secrets and abilities passed from Severn to his chosen, elite group of people. We should just toss it out to people because they're, what, Spirean? Spinesreach with its absolute absence of standard on who becomes part of it or gets let in. Or Bloodloch, who's relationship with Spines/Syssin is.. less-than-fond?